cant get ef started!

[DrunkScotsman]

the motor is turnin , but not catchin all the way , i am gettin spark and it is on time , weird thing is i sprayed starter fluid into the intake and it didnt even try to catch at all , that puzzled the shit out of me , it seems like it is not gettin fuel at all, any suggestions or advice would be great, thanx fellas , oh i have a D16a6

[aaronfelipe]

It's a sign that you will buy my car.

[2.0civic]

did you ever check the main relay???

[aaronfelipe]

On a different note, put the key in and turn it all the way, if you hear a noise everytime you turn the key, it pump is working.

[aaronfelipe]

They may be no compression.

[2.0civic]

and if you dont hear the noise, could be your problem :)

[aaronfelipe]

I would just put a new motor and call it a day.

[Elbow]

ill give you $100 for the motor, it can go towards buying aaronfelipes crx ;)

[aaronfelipe]

That's a good start.

[DrunkScotsman]

fuel pump is workin , new fpr , new injectors , new head , new fuel filter , new alt , spark plugs , wires , dizzy , new timing belt , i have replaced alot of shit , so i'm runnin out of options

[2.0civic]

sounds like the relay.............dead relay=no fuel

[DrunkScotsman]

but why would i get no response at all from sprayin the starter fluid?

[DrunkScotsman]

ill give you $100 for the motor, it can go towards buying aaronfelipes crx ;) lol, wish i could get the rex , i just dropped in this motor over the summer , i paid $450 for it and it has less than 60,000 miles on it , it ran good when i drove it

[aaronfelipe]

then sell the shell and keep that as a backup when you are building the motor from my crx into a 300 WHP beast.

[2.0civic]

then sell the shell and keep that as a backup when you are building the motor from my crx into a 300 WHP beast.

sell me the shell:goodjob:

[2.0civic]

but why would i get no response at all from sprayin the starter fluid?

i dont know..thats odd...is it spinning just no start? how do you know your timing is right? have you compression checked it?

motors need 3 things...fuel, spark, and compression

[aaronfelipe]

No, drunkskott will have it and 2 motors. One for DD and one BUILT. Buy his shell if you'd like. UUUmmmmm I think $800 would be fair

[2.0civic]

or in he case of deisels, fuel and compression

[aaronfelipe]

i dont know..thats odd...is it spinning just no start? how do you know your timing is right? have you compression checked it?

motors need 3 things...fuel, spark, and compression


DING DING DING
Hence.... the rings...

[2.0civic]

No, drunkskott will have it and 2 motors. One for DD and one BUILT. Buy his shell if you'd like. UUUmmmmm I think $800 would be fair

LIRL i was kidding..

Besides, ive never spent more than $500 on a shell and more than $250 on an EF shell....lol and flipped 4 of them

[aaronfelipe]

Well to tell you the truth, it's not my call to say how much his shell would go for and what comes with it. Talk to Drunkscott.

[2.0civic]

LOL im not buying shit yet...:)

[scttydb411]

sounds like a comp test is in order. you would think it would at least try and start by spraying into it.

[PD code 805D]

he was right a engine needs : 1st compression, 2nd fuel, 3rd ignition...but some people forget there cant be ignition with no O2.(oxygen) if the valves are jammed in the head you wont be getting any. check valves...take you valve cover off and make sure the intakes are working when you turn the motor.

[DrunkScotsman]

sounds like a comp test is in order. you would think it would at least try and start by spraying into it. thats what i thought was really strange , nothin at all happened when i sprayed it in there , i am doin a compression test tomorrow , so i guess i'll have to see from there

[Z U L8R]

you don't need 02 sensors to get spark.

double check your spark plug wires and make sure they're in the right order especially on the cap

[DrunkScotsman]

firin order is correct , been check more than 5 times , wires and plugs(gapped correctly)are new , is it possible since i had my head cleaned and flushed that i need to adjust my valves?

[DrunkScotsman]

ttt

[Z U L8R]

it'd be a logical thing to check, did you do a compression test though?

[DrunkScotsman]

just tried to do a compression test and got nothin out of two cylnders:thinking: , i held the intake open , took out all plugs and cranked the car , and got nothin:no:

[Z U L8R]

taking the valve cover off and checking the valve clearances sounds like the next logical step

[2.0civic]

just tried to do a compression test and got nothin out of two cylnders:thinking: , i held the intake open , took out all plugs and cranked the car , and got nothin:no:

did you only take out one plug at a time or all four of them at once?

[Z U L8R]

it doesn't matter.

[DrunkScotsman]

all four at once

[nofive-0]

Sounds like your timing belt is off. If you are getting absolutely ZERO compression the valves are open, or you have a catastrophic failure somewhere. I.e. bent/broken valve, hole in the piston, or hole in engine haha. Go back and check the t belt.

[DrunkScotsman]

firin order is correct , been check more than 5 times , wires and plugs(gapped correctly)are new , is it possible since i had my head cleaned and flushed that i need to adjust my valves?
^^^ all of the pistons and cyl are good , tb has been checked numerous times , the timing , ie, dizzy , cam and crank are all dead set on , is it possible the valves need to be adjusted , since it was cleaned? is it possible my comp tester is crap ( $20 autozone one)?

[ranj]

try valve adjustment that could be ur problem if its really off.
it wouldn't hurt, do you know how to do it urself, if not pm me and i can kinda tell u over the internet.

[DrunkScotsman]

my buddy from work knows how to do it , he'll be over tomorrow to do it , if they are way off would that cause no readin at all on the tester , and when most machine shops clean parts , they dont adjust anything do they? thanx for everyones help so far!

[Elbow]

does your cam gear turn when it's turning over?

[ranj]

my buddy from work knows how to do it , he'll be over tomorrow to do it , if they are way off would that cause no readin at all on the tester , and when most machine shops clean parts , they dont adjust anything do they? thanx for everyones help so far!

well if they are way off, then u could lose sucktion b/c ur intake valves aren't working in proper order, or you exhaust could be set wrong as well, so yeah if it is way off it could be the problem.
try it, and i don't know if this would cause no reading at all on the tester.
g/l

[Elbow]

any finds on the problem?

[DrunkScotsman]

ok , here goes , we checked the vales and they were way off , we adjusted them to spec , and then tryed to do a compression test and got no reading at all , and it still wouldnt start , before i replaced the head it did read on the tester , but the numbers were all over the place , 50 in one , 60 in another 200 in one and 90 in the last one , hence why i got the new head, i am soooooo fuckin confused , HELP! i dont know what to do from here

[~The_Duke~]

I glanced through here and didnt see this suggestion so I apoligize if it is a repost of sorts.

Have you checked to make sure your fuel pump is working correctly...

[DrunkScotsman]

i can hear it whirrin with the key on , and i'm gettin plenty of fuel up front

[scttydb411]

now you have the valves adj and comp isn't leaking out of the head try the oil again on the pistons since you've been washing the rings w/ fuel.

if that doesn't work a rebuilt may be in order.

[DrunkScotsman]

everything is put together right , and still no compression at all , it had compression b4 i replaced the head , so i'm assumin the block is good , head was said to be good , why am i gettin no compression at all? tester works tryed on other car

[DrunkScotsman]

help!!!!!!!!

[Josh8988]

Have you checked all of your fuses,that same thing happened to me before and it was a fuse.Also do you have gas?

[Josh8988]

And check your fpr and your starter components as well.Just throwing out suggestions.

[scttydb411]

if you had compression before and you replace the head and you don't now it's 3 things:

valve need adj (you ended up doing that)
head isn't sealing
head is shot

[DrunkScotsman]

the valves were adjusted , and the head cleaned pressure tested and decked , could it possible be the wrong gasket?

[SLow_POke]

the valves were adjusted , and the head cleaned pressure tested and decked , could it possible be the wrong gasket?

have you ever reaplced a cylinder head before?
did you torque it according to specs?sequence?

i would try a cylinder leak down test overa compression test.

[DrunkScotsman]

i had my haynes manual , a ford mechanic and the factory service manual when i put it all back together , all torque and specs are right , are leak down tests expensive , can i get one at autozone and are they hard to do?

[SLow_POke]

i had my haynes manual , a ford mechanic and the factory service manual when i put it all back together , all torque and specs are right , are leak down tests expensive , can i get one at autozone and are they hard to do?

they range from 75 to 150 bucks .
if you can do a compression test the right way you can do a LEak down test . it will tell you where the cylinder is leaking compression

[DrunkScotsman]

if there is no compression in all 4 cyl , would the leak down test work?

[SLow_POke]

if there is no compression in all 4 cyl , would the leak down test work?

it SHOULD tell you where the compresion is leaking fomr

[DrunkScotsman]

on my way to get a leak down test , any more help and suggestions would be great!

[Ruststang]

on my way to get a leak down test , any more help and suggestions would be great!Return all tune up and fine tuning tools save money for leak down test and get another project car...just my suggestion:cheers:

[allmotoronly]

its rare, but I have seen a b series jump timing once or twice. Not a lot, but enough that it is not firing at the correct time.

[nofive-0]

Take everything down and put it back together. Make sure you check the headgasket.