Just wanted to get some opinions

[KREEP]

I got the opinions I needed. So thanks for all your opinions and feel kinda wierd for even bringing it up here but i needed to get some relief and make sure that I was not in the wrong. Thanks and have a nice day

[DaMaGe ZWK]

that **** happens to me all the time man.... and people try so hard to make me feel bad and im like man, i told you i was gonna sell it....

[ilovemyhonda.]

i think that you should tell him straight up how you feel. he needs to stop being a little b!tch, because if he wanted it back so bad, he would have came to you as soon as you told him you were selling the car and would have made a deal with you. he didnt, he waited till the car was about to be sold. point blank, the exhaust was yours. you paid him back when he first bought it for you. so it was yours. its his loss and he needs to move on. he made no effort to get it back from you, so he really must have not cared.

[thinkfast®]

tell him to ead a di.ck homey, hes just assed out, too bad so sad, snooze you loose, next time buster

whiny broke ass friends = you dont need em

[1000cckiller]

i think that you should tell him straight up how you feel. he needs to stop being a little b!tch, because if he wanted it back so bad, he would have came to you as soon as you told him you were selling the car and would have made a deal with you. he didnt, he waited till the car was about to be sold. point blank, the exhaust was yours. you paid him back when he first bought it for you. so it was yours. its his loss and he needs to move on. he made no effort to get it back from you, so he really must have not cared.

you need to pratice what you preach. Later.

[ilovemyhonda.]

what??? ^^ that makes no sense and has no relation to me..

[KREEP]

Thanks folks I needed that, takes a load off my shoulders. He will tell you a different story that involves us swearing to the death and promises that were broken. I think he said it was my responsibility to take care of getting it back to him. Im am not a fool and you cannot take advantage of me. Thats what he was trying to do. Take advantage of me?????? I then end the friendship cause you find out by hanging out with him that he is an arrogant prick that has no right to be so.

[1000cckiller]

what??? ^^ that makes no sense and has no relation to me..

dumbass. The part about stop being a little *****. Thats fits you perfectly.

[ilovemyhonda.]

dont even sweat him, im sure you have plenty of other friends. its not your responsibility, its his because he wanted it. you made money by selling the car. thats what your intentions were. its just a frigen exhaust, that if he wanted, he knew how to reach you.

[1000cckiller]

Thanks folks I needed that, takes a load off my shoulders. He will tell you a different story that involves us swearing to the death and promises that were broken. I think he said it was my responsibility to take care of getting it back to him. Im am not a fool and you cannot take advantage of me. Thats what he was trying to do. Take advantage of me?????? I then end the friendship cause you find out by hanging out with him that he is an arrogant prick that has no right to be so.

he should have made a move and got it back, his loss.

[ilovemyhonda.]

dumbass. The part about stop being a little *****. Thats fits you perfectly.

oh my bad. im a ***** and i wear the name proudly..thank you!

[RutRoe]

I"m pretty sure dudes like that are the reason that prices for old beat up jdm **** are so ridiculous.

When people who have no idea of something's true value just start making crap up, it throws the whole thing off.

You paid him, the thing was on your car. He needed to get his ass over there if he needed it. If he could have sold it for all that money, it would have never been on your car in the first place.

[DaMaGe ZWK]

I"m pretty sure dudes like that are the reason that prices for old beat up jdm **** are so ridiculous.

When people who have no idea of something's true value just start making crap up, it throws the whole thing off.

You paid him, the thing was on your car. He needed to get his ass over there if he needed it. If he could have sold it for all that money, it would have never been on your car in the first place.

exactly

[KREEP]

see i KNEW i was n the right.

[osiriskidd]

yup...agreed with the fact that you paid him for it = it being yours. you don't owe him ****.

if he wanted it he would've came for it.

[KREEP]

Reps to all that posted their opinions good or bad.

[gtikid]

It is pretty gay/b!tch-like of him to make a big deal about it so late.............BUT, you could of brought it up too, since you guys were "such good friends." I mean, it wouldn't of hurt for you to say, "hey man so are you gonna take that exhaust or what?" Communication

[KREEP]

It is pretty gay/b!tch-like of him to make a big deal about it so late.............BUT, you could of brought it up too, since you guys were "such good friends." I mean, it wouldn't of hurt for you to say, "hey man so are you gonna take that exhaust or what?" Communication

Good point but only knew the guy for less than 5 months or so. I told him he could buy it back if he wanted it. No money, no show, no questions, no exhaust

[KREEP]

He was a friend of a friend and the friend who introduced us and he doesnt even like him.

[gtikid]

That makes more sense. Since he's only an acquaintance, fukk him

If he was a good friend, it'd be different. But if you guys aren't even "friends"....his lost

[KREEP]

Thanks for all the opinions and reps to everyone.

[xb1]

And in response, here is my version:
While I’m sure that Miles will “remember things differently”, here is the story as unbiased as I can make it. Basically that means that when I was being a ****, I’m not going to hide it in order to convince people that I am in the right. I know I am in the right, but that doesn’t mean I wasn’t an @sshole at times. Here goes:



My buddy Matt tells me of his cool@ss nieghbor who just got an Integra sometime in March or April, and one day he stops by with Miles b/c I was trying to get Matt’s NES to function and Miles had one with no power cord. We chat for a bit and they leave. About a month or so later, Matt calls while at Miles’ house (or something like that) and I find out that Miles is having trouble with the idle on his 00 GSR, and the guys from Japanese Motorworks didn’t fix it, eventhough Miles paid them ~$400. I say I’d be happy to take a look at it (thinking it was the throttle cable being out of adjustment), and I eventually fix by giving Miles a spare IAC valve I had lying around.



It took a few days of trial and error, but that eventually did the job. Over those few days, Miles expresses to me how much he likes my Mugen twinloop exhaust, and wants to know how much they are. I tell him ($1200 new, between $500-800 used, depending on abuse). Then I find out that my friends down at JHot had one with some “damage” for $207. I check it out one time while I was down there, and it wasn’t all that bad, so I decide that I can’t leave it there. In the meantime, I also help Miles swap out the slave cylinder on his clutch, b/c as we tried to bleed it, the bleeder nipple broke off.



So Miles and I go down there (I was going to get some other things anyway), and while I’m there I show Miles the exhaust. At some point Miles and I started talking about whether or not it was going home with us that day. It went like this:



Miles: So are you getting the exhaust too?

Me: Unless you want to get it.

Miles: I still have the exhaust that’s on the car, and I don’t want to spend anything on the car because I don’t know if I’m going to keep it.

Me: Well I’m going to get it if you don’t. I can’t let that doucheb@g from NY get it. It needs a good home.

Miles: (laughs)



I eneded up buying it for $197 that day, with the intent of eventually fitting it onto the Civic, as I’m not 100% happy with my KTeller midpipe. And then a bit later (I don’t remember if it was at JHot or on the way back or what), we start talking about the exhaust again. It went like this:



Miles: How much do you think a Tanabe Hyper Medallion catback is worth?

Me: Dunno. $500 new, maybe $350ish used.



And a bit later:



Me: I’ll tell you what, since Kate (Miles’ wife) is going to get pissed if you spend any money on your car, I’ll make you a deal. If you give me what I just paid for the Mugen exhaust, I’ll let you have it, just so long as you promise to let me have it back for the same amount if you want to sell the car or get something else. Since I would only put it on the Civic when I swap the engine out again (engine with f’d up tranny sitting in my garage), and that’s not going to happen any time soon, its no big deal. And you need to polish it up a bit too, b/c I don’t want to bake on all surface corrosion is has from sitting in a container for 6 months.



Miles: Will it fit on my car?

Me: It was designed for your car. It should bolt right up. (It didn’t quite work out like that however)

Miles: Ok, if I can sell my exhaust and make some money, I’ll agree to that.

Me: Cool.



So then the exhaust didn’t quite bolt up, as the JDM catalytic converter length is different. As a result, Miles’ car was in my driveway for a week or so while we tried to sort this out. I had measured the length difference between the USDM and JDM midpipes and marked it on the Mugen one. All the while, Miles was looking for someone with a JDM catalytic converter. I remembered at some point that I had a test pipe made from mild steel that could be cut to the proper length, but it had no O2 sensor bung hole, nor did I have a CEL fix, as it was for the OBDI Civic. Miles eventually finds a JDM catalytic converter, and while I was in the garage with him he called the guy who was selling it. I asked him to get the guy to measure the length, which he did, and it looked like it would fit. Then the guy said something about the collector diameter, which Miles relayed to me under the car:



Miles: He says that it needs a 2.5” collector.

Me: Collector on the header?

Miles: Yeah.

Me: (looking at the collector on his header) I don’t know if this is 2.5”. It would be gay if it wasn’t.



It wasn’t, and therefore gay. Miles spent $80 or $90 on the JDM cat, and not only did it no fit the collector, but the O2 bung was a different size than the USDM one. We tried to tap it, which failed, then took it to an exhaust shop and get at bung welded on for ~$15 or $20. But it still didn’t fit the collector on Miles’ header. I remembered seeing a guy who had JDM Type R “style” headers for sale at $150 each, so I suggested that we see if the guy would give us a break on shipping if we got 2 (one for each of us).



That never happened, as we went ahead and cut my test pipe to fit and had an O2 bung welded onto it, again for $10 or $20. It threw the CEL like I knew it would, but that was meant to be only a temporary fix until Type R “style” headers were acquired. But at least it was rolling. Miles eventually got one of the other IA members to order him an O2 defouler when that guy was getting one for himself (although it did take forever, and on a side note, when Miles went to pay the guy back, he said that he thought that the price was $15 when it was really $27. Miles paid him $20)



Several months go by, during which I help Miles out with his car(s) a few times. When he was trying to trade or sell his GSR blades, I told him he could borrow my old school mid-90’s 14” spare wheels until he got new wheels. I also fixed the starter on his 4Runner in an hour, after the guys at the off-road shop where it is being worked on spent 8 hours trying to get it to work, concluding (falsely) that the $80 relay needed to be replaced. I fixed it in an hour. How did Miles repay me? When the clutch in the S2K needed to be replaced, he got Bugman’s number from Rusty for me. He didn’t, however, come out there with me to actually help that time. In his defense, on that day he said he had some prior engagement with family. We worked on that clutch over at Bugman’s from 3pm until midnight. When I had to re-do that job in my garage, on my back, alone (some of the bellhousing bolts weren’t 100% torqued properly), Miles came by in the middle of it and did, in fact, help out at a crucial point. In the middle of this, he tells me that he got some interest in the GSR’s for sale ad. It went like this:



Miles: I think this guy wants to buy the ‘Teg.

Me: Really? I thought you weren’t going to sell it.

Miles: Well, I really want a car that’s paid for. I’ve never had a car that’s totally paid off, and I think that would be cool to have one. I think I want a hatch like yours or a CRX.

Me: So is the guy serious?

Miles: He paid for a $100 inspection at the Acura dealer, so I assume he’s serious.

Me: What’s he offering?

Miles: $8K

Me: Well, I need to get the exhaust off then (after I’d been underneath the S2K for about 10 hours).

Miles: Well then I’d have to go and get a stock exhaust for it, which is another $80. And I’m not sure he’ll buy it without the exhaust.

Me: Then tell him its a $1200 exhaust and the car will cost $1200 more.

Miles: I don’t think that will work. I don’t think he’ll pay that much for it.

Me: That’s how much more the exhaust would cost new.

Miles: But its not new.

Me: True.

Miles: How much do they go for used?

Me: I saw one on eBay for $650+shipping. Well how much do you need to pay it off?

Miles: $7k

Me: And you don’t think he’ll buy it without the exhaust.

Miles: Right.

Me: (getting annoyed) If I want to get another one, I need $600. See if he’ll pay the $600 extra. Tell him that the exhaust isn’t yours to sell.

Miles: But I paid you for it.

Me: You paid me the $200 that I paid for it, which I will give back to you.

Miles: I thought I gave you $300.

Me: You gave me $200. I took $200 from the $300 that David left here for you when he came and got the Hyper Medallion.

Miles: Are you sure?

Me: I have the receipt from JHot. It was $197. I gave you $100 from the $300 David left here.

Miles: Well, how about we split the profit. I’ll give you $300 and eat the difference.

Me: So I’d be selling it outright for $500 then? I’m pretty sure I can get $600 for it all day long. See what the guy says about that.

Miles: Ok.



So I think a bit more about it while we mess with the tranny under the car, and I don’t want to be a **** and prevent Miles from selling the car when he obviously wants to. But I still would rather have the exhaust. So I say this:



Me: Ok, tell that guy that the exhaust wasn’t included in the price, as it wasn’t yours to sell. If he absolutely won’t take the car without it, then tell him that it would be another $600 on top of the $8000. Then after he pays you, you give me $300, which means that I sold it for $500 total, which I guess I can live with.

Miles: And if he won’t pay the extra I have to go and spend money on getting a stock exhaust?

Me: If I get the exhaust back, I’ll give you your $200 back. Just ask him and see what he says and let me know.

Miles: Ok, I’ll see.



So I then proceed to finish the S2K, staying up all night (Sat night) in order to have it finished for the track day the following day (Sun) in Talladega. Miles had left his jacket at my place and came over the next day while only my mother was at the house (Christine and I were at the track) and borrowed my jack stands and jack. He proceeds to tell my mom that he has to put the defouler on the exhaust that “I forced him to get”.

(cont)

[xb1]

(cont)
The next week sometime (I can’t remember the exact day) I even go over to Miles’ place to give him a lift to AutoZone b/c the lug key on the lugs that he got with his new wheels broke halfway through taking them off and he needed another one. He also was going to take his front brake rotors off and either replace them or have them turned, as the buyer said that the Acura tech inspection said the rotors were warped. He also needed new brake pads, which were going to need to be replaced as well. Since he didn’t know what he was doing (he usually has another friend do his brakes for him), after I gave him a lift, I did one side and showed him how to do the other. I also looked over the rotors and didn’t see any real need to turn them just yet. So he called the buyer and told him that. As he was on the phone, I noticed what may have been a hairline crack in one, which I showed him.



After getting the brakes finished, I had to leave, but Miles was determined to put the defouler on. I asked him if the guy knew that this exhaust wouldn’t pass emissions (which I had asked before I think), and he said that the buyer was confident that it would be fine with the defouler. At any time during this day Miles could have told me that he never got the buyer to pay more, at which point I would have pulled the exhaust off myself on the spot. He, however, did not see fit to bring it up at that time.



The next Saturday, the buyer came and picked the car up, and the following Monday I called Miles and asked about the sale. It went like this:



Me: So did he take the car?

Miles: Yeah, he was happy with it.

Me: How much did you guys ultimately settle on?

Miles: $8000.

Me: Really? (I was a bit confused by this) Well you can bring the money for the exhaust by whenever you get around to it. I know you don’t have a car n’ all.

Miles: (kinda pissed) What do you want me to do, tear this check in half?

Me: Huh? No, you can cash it or whatever. No rush or anything.

Miles: Well I didn’t make as much on it as I had thought, what with all the money I just spent on it (referring to the wheels, tires, brake pads, etc).

Me: Well we can figure this out a bit later. (I wanted to do it face to face) I need to get my jack stands and floor jack.

Miles: I can bring them by.

Me: Ok.



So he brings them by, but not alone, and I didn’t really want to fight about this in front of our mutual friends, so I didn’t say anything then about it. Over the next several weeks, I talked to Miles here and there about various things, during which I find out the he has decided to get a $20 diesel truck. I know that he really wants one, so I don’t want to ruin his chances by insisting on the $300 from he exhaust until he gets his truck. He finally gets it, and I ask him to stop by with it, which he doesn’t do. I got various reasons for him not stopping by, and I’m sure all of them were real, but I was getting the feeling that Miles was avoiding me.



Finally as Miles is leaving the IA meet (11/12), I walk with him to his truck away from everyone else, and bring the money up (right after he yells something back to the group about going to get $400 from the guy he bought the truck from to cover the messed up glow plugs he just paid for). It goes something like this:



Me: So we need to figure this $300 out.

Miles: Yes we do.

Me: I didn’t want to bring it up until you got your truck so that it wouldn’t mess that up, but we need to settle up at some point.

Miles: Well I already told you that I didn’t make anything on the car, so I can’t give you any money.

Me: We had agreed that you would give me $300 if you sold the car with the exhaust on it. Remember, that is what we decided underneath the S2K right before you sold the car.

Miles: I remember that, but I already gave you $300 for it.

Me: You gave me $200.

Miles: I thought you paid something like $297 for it in Augusta.

Me: It was $197. I took $200 out of the $300 that you got for the other exhaust.

Miles: So you haven’t actually lost any money then?

Me: No, but that wasn’t the deal that we had made.

Miles: It sounds like you are trying to make me give you $300 for nothing. You haven’t lost any money on this. I just can’t give you $300 for nothing.

Me: The deal we had was for you to either give me back the exhaust before you sold the car or for you to give me $300 after you sold it. Since you didn’t give me back the exhaust before you sold it, that’s where the $300 comes from.

Miles: If I had taken it off, I would have had to spend $80 more for a stock exhaust, on top of all the other stuff.

Me: Regardless we had agreed that if you didn’t give it back you would pay me the rest of what the exhaust was worth.

Miles: It is only worth $200. That’s what you paid for it.

Me: But that’s not what I agreed to sell it for. If I would have sold it, I would have sold it for more than $200.

Miles: But since that’s all you paid for it you haven’t actually lost any money.

Me: No, but I lost the exhaust which will cost me more that $200 to get another one.

Miles: But you haven’t actually lost any money. I can’t give you $300 for nothing.



And then this just sorta repeated for a while. At one point miles said that the buyer had contacted him asking for the stock headers, as he has messed the header up on a pot hole. I then suggested that, since Miles wasn’t going to give me the $300 to make this right, he should get in touch with the guy and get the exhaust back in exchange for the $200 that I would have given back to Miles as well as a full stock exhaust. Then I left.



Later that evening Miles called me as said that he had spoken to several people, all of whom agreed that he could not give me $300 for nothing. Eventually I pointed out the following:



Me: Basically what you are saying is that you bought the exhaust from me for the $200 that I paid for it. That’s not entirely correct, as the deal was you could have it for the $200 if and only if you promised to let me have it back for the same $200 in the event you were no longer interested in owning it.

Miles: But since we never took it off, that didn’t happen. Coulda, shoulda, woulda, but didn’t.

Me: True, but we agreed that if we didn’t, you would pay me $300 for not making good on your promise. In the end you would have either gotten the exhaust for $200 and a promise, or $200 plus the $300 restitution for not keeping your word.

Miles: I just can’t give you $300. (note he never states he can’t afford it, but rather it is the principle of the thing)

Me: I’m not as interested in the money as I am in actually having the exhaust back. I would rather you come up with a way to make up for not keeping your end of the deal. The one that we had agreed upon is the $300, which you will not make good on either. So in the end you are really taking advantage of me if you do nothing.

Miles: I already told you that I didn’t make money on the sale. You forced me into buying that exhaust in the first place. You said that you going to buy it regardless.

Me: Yeah, I did. You didn’t buy it from JHot, I did. I then agreed to, for lack of a better term, “sell” it to you for $200 and a promise. You still owe me the promise, which is what I’m pissed about. I helped you out quite a bit on that car, and saved you a bunch of money as a result.

Miles: After I got that exhaust the car had nothing but problems.

Me: It was a POS when you got it. Those problems were already there. If you thought it was the exhaust, then you should have taken it off and put a stock one back on.

Miles: But that didn’t happen. So you what do you want me to do? I can’t give you them money.

Me: It’s not about the money.

Miles: I can’t go back in time and do things differently. What do you want me to do?

Me: I don’t know. Think of something to make up for the fact that you knowingly went back on the deal we had.

Miles: You want me to whore myself out on the corner? Is that going to make this better?

Me: Get real. Calling that guy back would be a good start. Busting your ass and getting the exhaust back would be even better.

Miles: Even if I do, I don’t think I can be around you without feeling weird.

Me: I think we are way past that point.



Then Miles proceeds to make bitchy, passive-aggressive comments about this in the meet thread, and I’m sure to other members. But as far as I can recall, that’s how it went down. In the end, if you look at the overall fiscal balance sheet between us, it goes like this:



IAC valve: $50

El Cheapo test pipe: $25

Tanabe Hyper Medallion: $300

Mugen twinloop deal:-$200

JDM catalytic converter: $-90

2x O2 Bunging: -$35

Fixed idle: $0

Fixed 4Runner starter: $0

½ brake job: $0



Total as it stands (including what it cost to get exhaust onto car): $50

[xb1]

Like I said before, in another thread, I have no problems with putting this out there. I think its kinda funny how Miles left out some of the other aspects of the deal, in addition to leaving out how much i helped him out over the last 5 months, and how little I actually asked in return. And for the record, the exhaust had 2 little dents in it, none of which would affect the flow. If you want to know how bad they were from a 3rd party, ask Gabe at JHot. He remembers it.

[gtikid]

And so the plot thickens.................

Always good to hear from both sides before making assumptions. That's pretty **** of HIM. You tried to act in good faith and this happens. That's pretty sh!tty man

[ilovemyhonda.]

its tough to choose a side, now that both have told there side of the story. it sounds like you were helping out and being a good friend, why dont you call the kid who he sold the car to and tell him that it was originally yours and the car wasnt supposed to be sold with it and see if you can work out something with him?

[thinkfast®]

hey bro post soem fu.ckin cliffnotes, I didnt come in here to get quizzed ese

[1000cckiller]

hey bro post soem fu.ckin cliffnotes, I didnt come in here to get quizzed ese

x2

[ilovemyhonda.]

cliffnotes:

basically they made a deal that if the car was sold, that he would get the exhaust back.
suposably kreep didnt stick by his word either way the deal went..

[DaMaGe ZWK]

i cant believe i read all that repetitive crap...

[ilovemyhonda.]

^^ should of read my cliffnotes. hehe

[thinkfast®]

cliffnotes:

basically they made a deal that if the car was sold, that he would get the exhaust back.
suposably kreep didnt stick by his word either way the deal went..

not sure if there was any disclaimers in that fu.ckin 8 pg essay, but beached whales w/ posting habits are not allowed to get in here, sorry <34integras chick, get lost

[ilovemyhonda.]

^^ why cant you just leave me alone? i havent said anything to you..

[PSINXS]

why every time Tiffany posts somebody gotta make fun of her? damn she didnt even do anything. cut her a break

[ilovemyhonda.]

why every time Tiffany posts somebody gotta make fun of her? damn she didnt even do anything. cut her a break

thanks. i guess people get a joy out of making fun of other people who they dont even know..so what he has seen me, big deal im not a toothpick, but im far from fat..very far from fat.

[1000cckiller]

why every time Tiffany posts somebody gotta make fun of her? damn she didnt even do anything. cut her a break

Wtf, you going soft for dat hoe

[ilovemyhonda.]

what_lag, you dont even know me and have never even seen me. you are being a follower because you cant speak for yourself and you want to look "cool"..your not cool, if you cant be your own person..

[PSINXS]

no, it just makes no sense. I could see if she was an ******* or talked **** to everybody all the time like some of these whack ass e-thugs on here, but she usually stays out of the way. and when she does post she gets picked on.

i am all about bashing idiots on IA but she doesnt even post much anymore.

She's been really helpful to Sarah since she has been pregnant. So if you wanna say i am going soft for her being a good friend, then so be it. Brian you have been my best friend for i dont know how long now, and if anybody was talkin **** to you, you know I'd be right there backing you up 100%. Both of yall my ***9as

[1000cckiller]

what_lag, you dont even know me and have never even seen me. you are being a follower because you cant speak for yourself and you want to look "cool"..your not cool, if you cant be your own person..

look *****, i gathered my opinion by my damn self. Mainly from reading all your stupid post. Second ***** you dont know what I have seen. So take your cumguzzlin ass and STFU.

[ilovemyhonda.]

^^thanks..how is sarah doing?